tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5752234106736354936.post7651527888825487403..comments2024-03-27T18:12:20.816+01:00Comments on Arachne's Blog: A Cloak for a Medieval PilgrimageArachnehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00046634430932368520noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5752234106736354936.post-79511205906471151282016-08-31T10:41:58.811+02:002016-08-31T10:41:58.811+02:00Fascinating. I'm doing research on cloaks worn...Fascinating. I'm doing research on cloaks worn by medieval pilgrims and stumbled across your blog. I love that you made your own cloak. I'm waking St James''s Way next year on the Camino to Santiago and am seriously considering a pilgrims cloak rather than a rucksack and regular clothes. This has given me inspiration to continue my quest.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5752234106736354936.post-47232448463608037852014-01-16T20:05:50.990+01:002014-01-16T20:05:50.990+01:00Thanks for the urls. I have ordered sample swatch...Thanks for the urls. I have ordered sample swatches, now I can't wait to get them. 2/1 twill at last! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5752234106736354936.post-46575955923001269692014-01-16T01:21:50.556+01:002014-01-16T01:21:50.556+01:00I usually get my cloth from either http://www.hand...I usually get my cloth from either http://www.handelsgillet.se or http://www.medeltidsmode.se. Handelsgillet has a lot if 2/1 twill that is more on the thin side. As far as I know, they both take international orders and when they say their cloth is 100% wool, it really is 100%, which I like.<br /><br />But the brown 2/1 twill I used for the cloak was a lucky find from my local fabric shop.Arachnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00046634430932368520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5752234106736354936.post-63451058620872586162014-01-14T01:19:57.761+01:002014-01-14T01:19:57.761+01:00Your warm clothing looks good. I need some myself...Your warm clothing looks good. I need some myself, the problem being that I need some 2/1 twill, since that seems to be the dominant cloth in the period I'm wanting it for, i.e. circa 1300 in Scotland. Hence I found your interesting blog through searching for 2/1 twill.<br /><br />Can you please tell me where you got yours from? I have some from naturtuche.de but it's very heavy and I'll just make a cloak from it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5752234106736354936.post-64608078872889853182014-01-07T21:18:12.289+01:002014-01-07T21:18:12.289+01:00There are several decidedly weird things about the...There are several decidedly weird things about the female Warwick weepers. The layering that is apparent when one looks at the weepers in real life (or when one zooms in on the themcs.org website) is very inconsistent with what we think we know from all other sources. <br /><br />The short cloaks are hardly the most weird garments on those figures! I'm still unconvinced whether it's rubbish carving, my eyes deciving me, or that the weepers (as you said) appear to be in outdoor / winter clothing, which is not usually depicted elsewhere.<br /><br />I'm afraid I have no idea where my Warwick photos are at the moment, otherwise I'd offer to send them to you. From memory, and looking at the themcs.org photos, the one I linked (their weeper #32) appears to be wearing a button-fronted gown. From memory, I was convinced that the arm slits were buttoned and went to the hem. I'll have to try to find my photos...<br /><br />I agree that something similar appears to be going on with the male German weeper's cloak.<br /><br />It's fascinating, particularly as good, practical wet-weather outerwear is something I really need. ^_^Miriamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07941566213672427040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5752234106736354936.post-2347870199372586602014-01-07T13:53:51.313+01:002014-01-07T13:53:51.313+01:00Panth: That one is absolutely lovely!!! I really w...Panth: That one is absolutely lovely!!! I really want to go to Warwick too... (my poor boyfriend tends to get dragged to medieval churches around the world on our vacations!)<br /><br />I've been wondering if the one in your link is a chort cloak or a long dress-like garment with open sleeves that buttons up instead. It's difficult to see what belongs to which layer on the photos. Having seen it in person, do you think that's a possiblity? <br /><br />Then again, there is a short cloak with slits to the hem that buttons up on both sides on a German tomb, which together with the Warwick one would make two separate sources for a cloak of that type...even if the German one is decidedly male... :-)<br />(it's also from www.themcs.org:<br />http://www.themcs.org/costume/Male/Germany%20Arnstadt%20Liebfrauenkirche%20Gunter%20XXV%201368%20and%20wife%20Elisabeth%20of%20Honstein%201381%20servant%201%20275.JPG)Arachnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00046634430932368520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5752234106736354936.post-6080275000620265612014-01-05T22:04:23.096+01:002014-01-05T22:04:23.096+01:00What a lovely post and a lovely hood. You have bea...What a lovely post and a lovely hood. You have beaten me to it - I had (on my very long list of things to do) a Warwick hood, having fallen in love with them via photos on the internet and then having made a visit to see them.<br /><br />There are actually a few lady weepers wearing short cloaks on the Warwick tomb. On some of them, it seems to me (particularly when seeing them in person) that the arm slits actually reach to the hem and can be completely closed via buttons. E.g. http://www.themcs.org/costume/Female/Warwick%20-%20St%20Mary%20Thomas%20Beauchamp%201369%20and%20wife%20Katherine%20mortimer%201369%20weeper%2032%20female%2097.JPGMiriamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07941566213672427040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5752234106736354936.post-82828459082816755082013-12-30T16:41:30.838+01:002013-12-30T16:41:30.838+01:00Just love it! Thank's for sharing.
/ MariaJust love it! Thank's for sharing. <br />/ MariaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5752234106736354936.post-21152700174291610722013-12-25T16:38:10.751+01:002013-12-25T16:38:10.751+01:00Yes, I can see that too. But the divide is so shar...Yes, I can see that too. But the divide is so sharp it could be a collared hood and the deep pleat by the shoulder might be a gore - I've got that effect when inserting a very wide gore. But then again, since they're early 14th century, the look definitely fits the wide upper sleeves and narrow lower sleeves of that time. Like the inserted sleeves on the Elizabeth of Thuringia-dress.<br /><br />I stand corrected - the sleeved/bulged-up dress interpretation is much likelier than cloaks! :-)I'll add a comment of that to the original post when I get home from the holidays. (I love it when people respond like this - it's so easy to see things with wishful eyes and get stuck in a favoured interpretation! :-) Thanks!)Arachnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00046634430932368520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5752234106736354936.post-25308548159645351852013-12-25T11:47:30.571+01:002013-12-25T11:47:30.571+01:00What a lovely cloak. I hope it kept you warm and c...What a lovely cloak. I hope it kept you warm and cosy during your pilgrimage. <br /><br />But I wonder if the Martebo servants are wearing such cloaks. To me, it seems like the fabric in the sleeve runs in one piece all along the arm, a bit loose over the upper arm and tight around the lower arm. I've always interpreted this as a long dress hoiked up with a belt at the waist, causing the fabric above the waist to billow out over the waistline.Lenahttp://parlstickare.dreamwidth.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5752234106736354936.post-68961900853687918702013-12-25T08:21:13.872+01:002013-12-25T08:21:13.872+01:00I have a few more images of short cloaks on Pinter...I have a few more images of short cloaks on Pinterest, one of these days I'll sort them properly... There are some really nice German ones with high collars, both from manuscripts and a tomb. Male, of course. Arachnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00046634430932368520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5752234106736354936.post-72464630772886591552013-12-25T05:09:22.175+01:002013-12-25T05:09:22.175+01:00I did not realize that there was artistic evidence...I did not realize that there was artistic evidence that short cloak were worn in the Middle Ages though the idea makes sense, for the reasons you describe. Thank you for writing about the cloak project, and your pilgrimage; it was very informative and interesting.Cathy Raymondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04580681386443534011noreply@blogger.com